The hate on Martin Scorsese is absurd

Finn

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So apparently film legend Martin Scorsese was asked about his thoughts on superhero movies and he responded that he does not watch them because they are not "cinema". He compared superhero movies to theme parks which I think is more than fair. Its no secret that I cannot stand superhero movies. They are shallow, dumb and cringe worthy. That doesn't mean I am not entertained by them sure, but to try to claim that they are even remotely the best the medium has to offer is disingenuous at the least. They are big dumb action rides and that's all they are meant to be. So why are all these people coming out in defense of something that was not insulted in the first place. He said exactly what these movies are and people are up in arms trying to defend these movies like they are award worthy.

Does anyone have a view on superhero movies that I don't and can help me understand why anyone would think they are anything more than big dumb action flicks? Why are people getting bent out of shape when a true film legend who has made some of the best movies in the medium just states his opinion about this absurd superhero trip people have been on lately?
 

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I agree 100% with his assessment of superhero movies. I can't watch them at all, let alone enjoy them. The only superhero movies I have liked are those that don't take themselves seriously because I simply cannot take them seriously. I've enjoyed the Guardians of the Galaxy movies and Shazam. Now, while I've enjoyed those movies, I still wouldn't call them deep, engrossing or good. They are what I refer to as popcorn flicks. You watch them, have a good time and get on with your life. The superhero movies that take themselves seriously just make me groan at the ridiculousness of the plots, situations and characters, if you can even call them characters.

On another note, I was also once a huge Scorsese fan, but I have to admit he has fallen off in recent years. I love all his classics: Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas, Casino. However, somewhere down the road, particularly when he began casting Leonardo DiCaprio in everything, the quality of his storytelling began to decline. Maybe it's just that those particular plots aren't for me. I'm not saying Gangs of New York, The Aviator, etc. are bad movies, just not at the same level as his earlier works. Hell, I actually quite liked The Departed. But his output as of late has been "eh" for me.

Having said all that, I have hope that The Irishman will be a return to form for Scorsese and his "gangster" pictures. Those were his best work for me and I'm excited to see him return to it. I also hope the de-aging effects used aren't too distracting. I've heard good things about the movie and will have to catch it when it comes out on Netflix. Here's to hoping!
 

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I can understand the hate on comic book movies but to call them theme park rides is too dismissive. I love myself some Thor and Captain America and the Avengers franchise turned into a true epic. I get they might not be for everyone but I disagree about them being shallow affairs with little in the way of substance. I mean they come from comic books, which have a rich history of storytelling. It may be corny to some, but the stories are meaningful to so many.
 

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I'm not talking down to anyone who enjoys superhero movies. They simply aren't for me. In my opinion, not every film is made to be a masterpiece or to tell a deep, meaningful, emotional story, or to be a beautiful example of the craft of filmmaking. It's not that superhero movies fail to tell a story, they just tell it in broad strokes and with every aspect of it spelled out for a younger audience to understand. And that's ok.

People watch movies for different reasons and to get different things from them. But the basic truth is the vast majority of films these days are what I would call popcorn flicks. It's the same reason a pure comedy is rarely considered an "award worthy" film. They are absolutely entertaining, sure, and they might even make you feel good, but would you put them up against some of the best films ever made? This is what Scorsese means when he says cinema. He's talking about serious films that tell serious stories and seem to put storytelling and craft over wide audience profits. But they all have their place. Comedies should exist, popcorn flicks should exist, superhero movies should exist. There is room for them all. Hell, I even often enjoy the ridiculousness of romantic comedies. However, I would agree that those are not cinema in the way Scorsese was describing.
 
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